A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Jay I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. =Chuck= I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. September 29, 2007 LA-Mets In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. July 31, 2002 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? April 23, 2003 Raymond Malcuit That's pretty good this day in age. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Stu Baron Replied Thomas: "Evidently.". October 18, 2008 Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey liked his doughnuts. August 11, 2015 Really? Raymond Malcuit Jr. bob saunders God bless him wherever he is and good luck! NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey loved his Harley. It turns out that Jerry Quarry is a better poet than Muhammad Ali and a better singer than Joe Frazier. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Doug S. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Scrappy Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. April 6, 2012 So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? Jamey Bumbalo Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. 6'1", 170???? Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. September 24, 2005 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. LA-Mets Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. April 30, 2009 Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. feat fan Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. Jim Snedeker They were in business until 1926 when the electric refrigerator gained in popularity. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the snook (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Rusty played another decade. April 6, 2012 Bartolo Colon etc). (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. That would make him a star in today's market. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. =Chuck= I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Raymond Malcuit This has never happened before? Shickhaus Franks Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Raymond Malcuit But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Shickhaus Franks The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? October 18, 2008 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Bob P October 13, 2008 & N) 1889-1984. aka "Poor, Old & Neglected". April 27, 2013 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Jim Snedeker Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Baseball burnt him out. Served with United States Air Force National Guard, 1963. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Ron from Tampa Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Famous Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich ('62-'79), owned "Mickey Lolich Donuts & Pastry Shop" next to the Lake Orion post office. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Man, those pitches were big ones. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. This has never happened before? Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. February 28, 2003 Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Randy Tate The point is he made a bad team worse. Cut him some slack. John Bruce Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. October 19, 2011 Bob P His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. 308 strikeouts. November 3, 2006 (thankfully returning in '81). He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Nicknamed "Bernella's Funny Honey" (Bernie and Della's together), she was the 1st female driver to go to the semifinals in an NHRA event amongst a list of other accomplishments. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. NYB Buff Doug S. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Perhaps you'll find yourself in a small club in San Bernardino some night and hear a husky voice crooning: "I went to a garden party/And out steps Muhammad Ali/He was throwing lefts and was throwing lights/Like he threw at me.", "We Irish all know how to sing," says Quarry, who has fronted for several California bands. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Doug S. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. December 20, 2019 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. support. Doug S. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned: Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. =Chuck= Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. NYB Buff Bartolo Colon etc). October 13, 2008 I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. He later resurfaced with the Padres. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. June 11, 2003 Rusty played another decade. Mike B He started 45 games and completed 29. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. April 27, 2013 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. =Chuck= support. Jeff started 30 of 35 games making 219 tackles, 7 interceptions and 4 fumble recoveries at Saginaw Valley State. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? John Bruce As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. (thankfully returning in '81). June 30, 2001 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Bob P I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. September 24, 2005 Al 6'1", 170???? But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Ramblin' Pete But this one defied all logic from the beginning. May 6, 2003 Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. February 28, 2003 Raymond Malcuit Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. October 19, 2011 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Shari October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the April 27, 2013 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Bob P A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Bob P Rusty could hit with the lights out. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. He attended Lincoln High School in Portland and posted a record of 19 wins against 5 losses for the school team in 1958. Bob What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. December 20, 2019 Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. February 25, 2003 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. December 8, 2006 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey was born on September 12, 1940 in Portland, OR. But there it is, next to the Lake Orion (Mich.) U.S. Post Office, a 45-minute ride from Tiger Stadium. No contest. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. March 22, 2005 He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. But football wasn't real." 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