45a and in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols a.k.a. 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. There are many possible combinations of Article modified: Sunday, 7 July 2019. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. This 1943 dated police holster represents the last year Germany made all leather Police holsters. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. Pictured is a black dyed 1933 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era (1929-36) Sunburst police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.E.I. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. Polizei-Direction or Knigliche Polizei-Richtung=Royal Police-Direction, Der Kgl. After the war 2-300 HIPO-men were sentenced to death for brutality, killings and torture of their own countrymen. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN marked police holster with a Weimer era Sunburst K police inspection stamp; view 1. Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Thread Tools: Display Modes The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a Versailles, and after repeated demands by the IMKK, on June 29, 1921, the this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. German: Foreign Mfg. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the The metal finish is in very good condition. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. During the last war-winter, its members were the worse terrorists of all against their Danish countrymen. It has a 100mm (4") barrel, is modified as a police issue with a sear and magazine safety, plus it has a police unit identification markings. 12 - item 12 of the first centuria within command II in the 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. view 3. A noted holster collector and expert states after examining pictures of the subject unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster that: The cleaning rod leather section added to the subject Artillery cleaning rod pouch or sleeve, came from an original sleeve. Click here for English translation. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. II. Edward Tinker. Landjgerei Wiesbaden or the Prussian rural constabulary, Wiesbaden district. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. It will therefore be easy for all police officers who are familiar with the content of the book to find their way through the reworking without difficulty. Einwohnerwehr marked E W B on pistol grips and rifle butts. Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. Im ubrigen hat aber das Bestreben vorgeherrscht, den Iert und Uusbau des Buches mglicht in seiner bisherigen Form zu warhen. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. empire and the Prussian constitution have already seen some important additions: further laws are expected in the near future. 31. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. PREUEN marked eagle, round belt buckle, gold or silver, has been identified. FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly. The exact date or time frame of the second conversion is uncertain, which could have been in the late 1920s or early 1930s. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. This particular Police bayonet has been described not as Dress bayonet because it has an issue number on both the bayonet and the scabbard and as such its not a dress bayonet, but a duty bayonet and that they wore these on Patrol. view 2 and is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. Box 7184, Brown would be rural. Luger 1936 First Year after Sneak Codes. Another NAZI era example being the Walther PP and PPK pistols pictured in Axis Pistols 1986 by J. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. WWI). This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. German Army. 9mm Luger Caliber. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. Pictured are yet two examples of cut-back artillery holsters modified, albeit crudely, for belt carry; Example 1 and Example 2. ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; An identical pistol variation is aptly described in Pistole Parabellum by Gortz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, V2, C23, P606, figure 546 text caption. The L.Z.A. No examples noted. RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. Hard to find historic variation. 1 Making Modern Germany Chapt. Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. Polizeiwehr If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. The S.E.I. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 10 ----------------------------------------------------------. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. The right side of the slide has a weimar eagle with WaA66 below. A rare DWM Model 1900 U.S. Army Test Eagle Luger in 7.65mm is up for grabs as well. On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. Erfurt Luger Unit Marking. The breech is stamped 1920 and the center toggle has DWM monogram on it. 1374v. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. links[1]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; We talked to a subject matter expert who repairs WW1 / WW2 h The Publisher. Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs. It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. The die application was quite sloppy in some areas, an example being the loading tool pouch located inside the cover flap where the black die was applied with the cover flap closed. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 The reworking ends in May 1921. Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. This 1920 commercial Luger was manufactured from a rebuilt WWI military pistol and sold through an Argentinian retailer, leaving it with both Buenos Aries and German markings. Three are police. 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. Mauser Sneak Police. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. Note the late 1920s and early 1930s Prussian state police brown holsters are Landjgerie and black holsters are Schutzpolizei. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the It worked through various Pictured is a 1941 dated OTTO SINDEL BERLIN police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied Borchardt C93 - produced 1893-1902. The wooden cased German pistol cleaning kits were, apparently, not made exclusively for the P.08 Luger as a 1946 German police instruction manual titled: Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946 specifically lists several pistols, including the P.08, although other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, all used by the German Police after WW2. 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